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ANALYSIS: Hawaii’s Gun Laws Worth Imitating

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ANALYSIS: Hawaii’s Gun Laws Worth Imitating
The military will be hosting their inaugural firearms competition for local law enforcement at Pohakuloa on Saturday, August 10.

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  • MTGuy

    Then why does my state of Montana, with a gun ownership rate of 57%, have the same low homicide rate?

  • MTGuy

    And while we’re at it, Wyoming, with the highest rate of gun ownership at nearly 60% has less than 3 murders per 100,000 people. Quit distorting things. Tell us the whole picture. The common denominator in high murder areas like Louisiana, Mississippi, D.C. and Chicago is not gun possession (that all varies in those places) but rather poverty. When you have poor urban areas, you will experience higher gun violence regardless of whether there is a prevalence of firearms.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Matthews/735919198 Byron Matthews

      and lets not forget the Mexican border, a problem which Japan doesn’t have.

      My bet is that if North Korea or China decided to invade, they’re going to wish the entire country was armed, as it is, they’re ripe for the picking

      • http://twitter.com/NateGaddis Nate Gaddis

        Montana and Wyoming aren’t too hard to figure out in terms of the stats. Poverty and population certainly seem to play a big role in gun crime, although in the case of California (which has both of these things in abundance, along with a Mexican border to contend with,) gun-related deaths turn out to be lower than what one might expect.

        We tried to stick to comparing gun availability (via gun control laws) and gun-related fatalities.

        On the whole, the numbers showed that the easier it is to obtain a gun in a given area (even legally,) the more frequently gun-related deaths occur.

        Why that happens is a great question. For instance, Texas is a prolific concealed weapons state, but gun deaths are rarely linked to those who’ve chosen to acquire licenses to carry guns discretely.

        How exactly guns (including those originally obtained legally) find their way into the hands of killers is a very different topic.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Matthews/735919198 Byron Matthews

          So you mean there are other factors to be taken into consideration when blindly comparing random countries like Japan and the US? Who knew…
          You know, Hawaii has one of the biggest meth problems in the country, we should make that illegal too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Matthews/735919198 Byron Matthews

    There is nothing about Hawaii’s gun laws that worth
    imitating, they’re asinine. The very notion of gun control is one born of a totalitarian mind or a gullible fool.

    The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting, it’s about the balance of
    power, and it’s designed to keep the government from running roughshod
    over the people.

    Disarming law-abiding citizens doesn’t make them safer, in
    fact ‘Gun Free Zones’ (another product of liberal fantasy-land) are a magnet
    for mass shooters.

    And in typical liberal fashion, you deceptively compared gun related
    DEATHS in America to gun related MURDERS in Japan, blatantly meshing
    murder, accidents and suicides.

    Since you enjoy statistics, here’s numbers for your digestion:

    Mexico has 3 times the gun related murder rate that we do and they have NO right to own guns there.

    Guns are a major part of Switzerland’s culture. Instead of a
    standing army they have a militia. Men between the ages of 20 and 30 are put
    into the militia and undergo military and weapons training, which means
    Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world. Yet,
    Switzerland has a low crime rate. In 2010 there were only 40 gun homicides
    or slightly less than the UK.

    The state of Virginia between 2006-2011 gun sales went up by 73% and at the same time gun-related violent crimes fell 24%.

    31 states that have “shall issue” laws allowing private citizens to
    carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent
    crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower
    robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Matthews/735919198 Byron Matthews

      Democrats don’t give a rats rear end about public safety when it comes to guns, what they want is a defenseless society, so they can dictate and mandate unopposed, same reason Adolph Hitler disarmed Austria.

      • Plant Dope. Harvest Ice.

        It’s “ADOLF”. Not with a PH.

        Hitler didn’t disarm Germans or Austrians to become the Führer. He got democratically elected. Then he abused his legal powers to become a dictator and got the masses drunk on victory and wealth fantasies. Including promises to ‘free’ and ‘liberate’ the Germanic people.

        But more important, after the WWII was lost all Germans & Austrians were forbidden to possess any weapons. Even the cops were not carrying guns. The country was awash with discarded American, Russian and German weaponry though. So the criminals were indeed armed to the teeth with unregistered rifles, grenades, pistols, etc.

        Yet with law & order initially so outgunned in Germany & Austria, both countries have now some of the most restricted gun policies in the world. And very low gun violence to show. Despite porous borders, violent American movies & games, faster cars, denser population centers, increasing minority groups.

        Bigger issue is that the N.R.A. is now a clear & present danger to our political system. We lost already our liberty and freedom from gun violence because of this neo-fascist organization. There are no US patriots running the N.R.A. but corporate killers looking to increase their profit margin by whatever means:

        Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, Aurora were their biggest financial bonanza.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Matthews/735919198 Byron Matthews

          Actually it’s spelt both ways, when Time Magazine named him Man of the year, they spelt it Adolph. It’s all in the translation.
          But putting the innocuous aside. Hitler was elected and in Austria he was elected in a landslide. His Gun Control began in the late 20’s. Before cattle car’ing Jews, full disarmament was absolutely nessisary, see ‘the night of the broken glass’ in 1938.
          But the nazis began search and seizure of guns from political enemies in 1933. When he annexed Austria, he disarmed them as well. No authoritarian dictator wants an armed population able to resist and stand up against them. This is why democrats oppose private gun ownership and detest our founding documents. Period

          • Plant Dope. Harvest Ice.

            Authoritarian fears:

            Why is Wayne LaPierre of the N.R.A. not elected by the majority of the membership? Why are 3 board members of the N.R.A. determined by the gun industry (and not elected by the members)?

            About history:
            The Russian backed commies were armed in Germany. They would have not been tolerated as such in the USA either ( see Black PAnther).

            Kristallnacht was not about disarming jews. It was about destroying the Jewish livelihood and marking them as a conspiring ethnic group to the other Germans. The message for them was to leave the country, and leave their assets behind. The German jews were the least armed. MAny of them even supported Hitler’s cause by vote and money till it was too late. Guns were not even wanted by them. Some commies were jailed, gassed and shot along priests, nuns, homosexuals, socialists, gypsies, disabled people.

            Hitler armed all the Germans in a never seen before way. Nearly every able bodied man was in uniform with assigned weaponry. If there would have been a common will to dispose of him and his regime the Germans had the means in their hands. They didn’t want to till very late in the game and the war was lost. Then resistance groups like Weisse Rose, and Stauffenbergs group came up. And weapons those groups had plenty of.

    • http://twitter.com/NateGaddis Nate Gaddis

      Gun ownership is a legal right for Mexican citizens, provided for in their constitution. It is (by the letter of the law) harder to acquire and transport firearms there, but you may do so for hunting, home defense, etc.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Matthews/735919198 Byron Matthews

        My mistake, they aren’t illegal but they do mimic Hawaii law, in that they cannot be concealed and are supposed to be left in the home. Doesnt make them safe from drug cartel running around sporting Obama supplied guns does it

        • LeeO

          Mimic Hawaii law is right. The Hawaii constitution has a clause IDENTICAL to the second amendment of the US Constitution, identifying the RIGHT to keep and bear arms, yet Hawaii residents must apply for permission to acquire, or to even own a firearm. Requiring permission to exercise a right is pure oxymoron – but not to the fatuous Hawaii Supreme Court, who see this as a ‘reasonable’ restriction. You trust these canting hypocrites with your life liberty and property? As they say in Vegas, “Good Luck” (you will need it).

  • AR15

    There are too many guns to do anything now. I’d say require a 2 million liability insurance on each hand gun and 10 million liability insurance for each assault rifle.The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable–over 200,000 per year in the U.S.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Matthews/735919198 Byron Matthews

      nah, more people die from traffic accidents and several times more people die from medical malpractice. We need a well armed populace to be a guard against an ever expanding Federal government.
      The ONLY reason Democrats want gun control is so they can rule with impunity, the rest are just useful idiots

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Matthews/735919198 Byron Matthews

    Nate is a liberal, liberalism is the ideological cousin of fascism, Marxism, communsim, Maoism and Stalinism. And disarming the population is the most important step in accomplishing complete authoritarian control over a population. The first step is dumbing down the people, which was taken long ago when the government began “educating” children.

    The pillars of freedom are under assault and were sitting here discussing wether Nates criticism of guns is fair. How silly, he belongs to a party that fights tooth and nail for the right to slaughter unborn babies. Sorry buddy but Nate doesn’t care about saving lives, he wants guns out of the hands of those who aren’t his ideological comrads.

    • Dubya Doodie

      Worst of all, they’re trying to pollute the precious bodily fluids of our children with their communistic school lunch programs!

  • vfw 1969

    Chimps also commit “murder”, this activity is not unique to humans.

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